Shake Rattle and Roll with CZ

I recently turned my HK P30SK into a CZ 2075 RAMI. Now I've discovered a really annoying flaw that CZ seems to think I should be okay with.

In my review of the HK P30SK I noted the exceptional quality and ergonomics but it just didn't work for me because of the way I grip the gun. The design of the slide release just doesn't work for me. I had turned sent back my Caracal Model F as part of the recall and they sent me $700. I turned around and turned that into a P30SK. That didn't work out, so I sold it locally (gasp! no background checks!) and took some of the money from the sale to get CZ 2075 RAMI.

The 2075 RAMI is a compact version of the CZ 75. It is everything you would expect in design and function from CZ. This slide rails are external to the slide inside the frame instead of the other way around. It's hammer-fired. All steel construction. Single-action double-action trigger. It's a subcompact version of the CZ-75. Look for a full review later.

The gun ships with two magazines. A 10-round flush-fit magazine and a 14-round extended magazine. The 14-rounder is basically a CZ-75 Compact magazine with a polymer sleeve that fills in the gap between the bottom of the grip and the base-plate. I ordered three more from CDNN. I like to have extras. The magazines are made by CZ and they look to be good quality — all steel with a nice shiny friction-free follower and the plastic base plates. They're not made in Italy, interestingly enough, as is a lot of magazines nowadays are. And maybe that's the problem.

What I noticed right out-of-the-box, the first time I loaded the magazines, was that if you load them to capacity rounds at the bottom of the magazine rattle. My heart sank. The first thing that I thought of when that happened was my SCCY CPX-2. The CPX-2 does the exact same thing. The one I currently ownfunctions perfectly but it rattles when you when you load the magazine to full capacity. So I was more than a little surprised to see this happen to my CZ 2075.

I thought, “Well maybe it's just one bad magazine.” So I loaded up the 14-rounder and lo and behold it does the same thing. So I loaded up my additional magazines and, sure enough, every single one of those CZ-brand magazines rattles. Nine rounds, no rattle. Ten rounds, and they all rattle.

Now don't get me wrong, with ten rounds the gun functions fine. I proceeded to test the magazines and they work flawlessly. But they rattle when loaded full. You may think yourself, what's the big deal? If they work, why does it matter if they rattle?

The 2075 RAMI is a carry gun. And if I'm going to be carrying concealed I'd like to not be announcing to the world that I have a pocket full of loose ammunition. Even loaded to capacity with one in the chamber, the magazines rattle. Add that to a spare mag rattling on my belt and I'm sounding like the tin man from the Wizard of Oz. Imagine carrying two spares as many people do. Now you really shake, rattle and roll.

Sure, I could download to nine rounds, but doesn't that defeat the purpose? I want to carry as much ammo as the magazines will allow. Downloading to nine so I can do so covertly is ridiculous.

So I fired off an email to CZ-USA:

I recently purchased a 2075 Rami 9mm. I have a problem with both of the magazines that came with the gun and the additional 10-round CZ brand magazines that I purchased to go with it. They all rattle if I load them to full capacity. The 10-round magazines are fine as long as I have less than 10 rounds in them. Once I get 10, the last round in the bottom of the mag seems to rattle around. In the 14-round extended mag it's worse. Not exactly stealthy. The gun and the magazines are all brand new and they rattled from the first time I loaded them.

I have a SCCY CPX-2 that does this but I expect that from a $200 truck gun. But not a $700 CZ and magazines that cost nearly $40 apiece. Any recommendations for how to correct this?

A couple of days later I got a email response from Dereck Miller, a Sales Associate according to his e-Mail signature. His response was basically, “sorry that you're not happy with the magazines but we made them that way.”

We are sorry to hear that perhaps the magazines aren’t as you had expected, but it is the nature of the design. We find that many magazines produce the same rattle from many manufacturers at similar price points. We think, though, that you will be happy with their performance and reliability, as the described noise is not representative of a mechanical problem or a bad magazine. We hope you’ll give them a try and to let us know if there are any problems with your pistol.

I'm a little disappointed to say the least. CZ is one of the world's most respected firearms manufacturers. Their products command a premium price. This is not a fly-by-night company or an upstart like SCCY. They have a reputation for quality and price point reflects that. The 2075 RAMI has a price point upward of $600. To suggest that other guns in that price range ship with rattling magazines is ludicrous. Name one!

The fact that the RAMI magazines rattle like a $200 truck gun is disappointing. But it's more disappointing that their response to this would be “that's how we built it.” It's not a design flaw, it's a feature. They still function great. We're sorry you don't like it that way. Lots of other companies make rattly magazines, so you should be okay with that.

No! This is poor design, and to suggest that it's okay to CZ because other companies have rattly mags is just shoddy.

5 Comments on "Shake Rattle and Roll with CZ"

  1. I have had this problem with any number of double stack magazines. One way I solved the problem was to tap down the magazine on its rear side while loading to settle the rounds fully to the back, doing so every couple of rounds. It worked fairly well for me, but then I never did it with a CZ RAMI magazine, and your mileage may vary.

  2. Canik Tri Star C100 Magazines interchange with CZ75 Compact. They don’t rattle.

    • The Armed Lutheran | January 13, 2016 at 11:30 am |

      I think those are made by Mec-Gar. I have a Tri-Star P-120 and I love it. Yes, no rattle. The problem is the flush-fit 10-round mags. I have not found any from Mec-Gar.

      BTW, how do you like the C-100?

  3. That is odd. I’d expect different from CZ.

    I own a P07 gen 2 and it is a superb firearm. When the mags are filled to capacity they do not rattle. Curious as to why yours does.

    • The Armed Lutheran | January 14, 2016 at 11:46 pm |

      I certainly expected better as well. I have a CZ-75B Omega and it’s excellent. I have no issues at all with the magazines either. I’ve had no problems with the 2075 RAMI itself, just the magazines. Loaded to capacity they rattle as bad as the mags in my SCCY CPX-2 truck gun. I was really surprised by CZ’s response. They suggested they are designed that way and since other companies have mags that rattle I shouldn’t be concerned. Other than SCCY, I don’t know who else has mags that rattle. Never had this issue with Browning, or Glock, or Bersa, or HK, or Taurus, or Springfield or Walther or Rock Island. Never had this issue with CZ clones like Canik55 or Sarsilmaz or Tanfoglio. So, I’m kinda bummed.

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